07: “There is a relationship between silence and suffering, and by God I’m going to break silence.” (ft. Dr. Robin DiAngelo)

“There is a relationship between silence and suffering, and by God I’m going to break silence.” -007

Join guest Dr. Robin DiAngelo and host laura brewer for a discussion of making love through disrupting white fragility and white supremacy. Dr. DiAngelo is a sociologist, a researcher, and an expert in whiteness. She travels the country educating and working with other white people around a deeper understanding of how whiteness, white supremacy, and white fragility function in the individual and collective identities of white people.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

  • What white fragility is, how it’s different from white supremacy (and racism), and what triggers white fragility in white people
  • What dismantling white supremacy and interrupting white fragility has to do with love
  • What does it mean to be white
  • What “to do” about white fragility and why an urgent rush to take action can be problematic
  • How to give and receive feedback on racism

Welcome to a conversation about making love through “a struggle for justice.”

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Dr. Robin DiAngelo is a former Associate Professor of Education. She is a two-time winner of the Student’s Choice Award for Educator of the Year from the University of Washington’s School of Social Work. Her scholarship is in White Racial Identity and Race Relations. In addition to her academic work, Robin has extensive experience as a workplace consultant in issues of race relations and racial justice. Robin has numerous publications and books, including “What Does it Mean To Be White? Developing White Racial Literacy.” She coined the term “white fragility” and her work on this dynamic has influenced the national dialogue on race and been cited or featured in Alternet, Salon, NPR, The New York Times, and The Atlantic. Her latest book is “White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard For White People To Talk About Racism.”


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